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Evos1

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Hi

 

Only my 2nd post, hopefully someone can offer some answers to our ST issues.

 

i'm unable to ask the person who did the engine swap so i'm left spending hours surfing the web.

 

Our ST200 was returned to us last year following an engine swap (Bottom end failure original engine), we didn't bother MOT,ing last year as winter was closing in.  It's now up & running with an MOT'd but I have no speedo & traction light up.

 

Looking at gear box, i'm thinking the 5 speed box from the donor 2002 ST220 was dropped in along with the engine, I thought the speed sensor should be next to the drivers side drive shaft (nothing there) the gear box is stamped on the bottom 8/99 (presumably year of manufacturer)

 

I can just see a black box on top of the gear box, feels like it has a small slit in it, doesn't appear you could plug anything onto it, have included a picture by shoving my phone into engine.

 

Also I have spent many an afternoon looking for a random wire & plug that would go to the gearbox, again I can find nothing on the ST200 loom (that I can see)

 

Where on the ST200 wiring loom would the speed sensor wire come from?

 

Is there a way of bypassing the problem?  at the moment i'm using the GPS on phone as a speedo.

 

Feeling deflated as I cant seem to solve the problem, I've spent hours surfing & looking around the engine. Hope it all makes sense, any suggestions or advice would be VERY much appreciated.

 

Thks

Darren

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If the gear box is stamped with 8/99 it's unlikely to be a Mk3 box.

 

I have no idea where the gearbox loom on the car comes from and I'm no where near my garage to have a butchers.

 

I'll ask a contact on facebook who has taken a few engines and boxes out to have a looksie.


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Can you PM me the reg, there was a wiring change during production.


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Ok, no mater which wiring you have in the car, it's all the same for the ST200.

 

The sensor and plug are located just above the Intermediate Shaft Output of the Diff. 

 

The ST220 5 speed is also in the same location but i have no idea if it has the same plug.

 

ST200

 

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ST220 5 speed

 

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Random MTX75 box but it is the clearest picture of the plugs location.

 

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Hi Neil

 

Thanks for the info, the first diagram is correct with the sensor above the shaft output, at least I can confirm it still has the ST200 box, now I need to find a plug stuffed somewhere in the engine bay, if it hasn't been chopped off !

 

If its missing I'll have hash one up & wire in a new one (if that's possible), I don't suppose you know if it goes direct to ECU or back of the dash/speedo ?

 

Looking at my photo, it looks like the retaining pin is missing/snapped off ?  that's gonna be a :censored:....

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May i ask what regiment you served Neil ?  I did my time with the 1st Batt The Royal Anglians & 254 field ambulance  92 to 2003

 

Thks for your help



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There's quite a few cars being broken, I'm sure they could supply the plug with wiring and a locking pin.

 

 

May i ask what regiment you served Neil ?  I did my time with the 1st Batt The Royal Anglians & 254 field ambulance  92 to 2003

 

What's a regiment?

 

I was in the Senior Service, 27 years all told. Had my ups and downs, but I'd do it all again  :lol:


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R a matlow,  27 years, respect  :england:

I was a sea cadet lol

 

absolutely would do it all again

 

The ST has a couple of Flatt spots between 3 & 5 rpm, probably get a rolling road map then our beast will be complete.

 

Our ST200 used to be an ex show car before we had it, is there any way of knowing if its been registered to this club before, reg W353WHK, it had a few MOT's from Bidder street motors, canning town, belonged to a Mr Freeman. I also have the registration document from the donar car X220ST, not sure whether to sell it or stick it on the ST200?

 

thanks for your help Neil.



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absolutely would do it all again


Yeeesssssss :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 X220ST, not sure whether to sell it or stick it on the ST200?

 

Unfortunately you can't put a newer reg on an older car.

 

 

The ST has a couple of Flatt spots between 3 & 5 rpm, probably get a rolling road map then our beast will be complete.

 

All 200s suffer with a flat spot around there, it's where the IMRC opens the second set of valves. It can be made less noticeable by having good clean spark, clean intake filter.

 

This is a good car but it still has one.

 

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I can only guess having a 3.0 bottom end might exaggerate this a bit. It might be worth seeing what a rolling road re-map can achieve.


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W353WHK

 

 

Whilst I have seen photos of converted cars I have not always seen their registrations.

 

So I haven't seen this car on here or anywhere else on the internet.

 

But I can do this............

 

Please note that I have tried to be as accurate as possible but due to the sheer numbers involved there could be some errors in the information given. If there is an error in the data that is found after today, then the information given might be affected.[/color]
 
2274/4861 ST200 off the production line by VIN order, built 19.11.1999 and 1st registered 24.03.2000.
 
That makes her; 
 
The 908/2154 ST200 Hatchback;
 
Country Code GB's 620/1852 ST200;
 
Country Code GB's 549/1490 ST200 Hatchback.
 
 
 
Imperial Blue
 
The 1572/3574 Imperial Blue ST200;
 
the 697/1766 Imperial Blue ST200 Hatchback;
 
 
Country Code GB's 619/1785 Imperial Blue ST200;
 
Country Code GB's 549/1445 Imperial Blue ST200 Hatchback.

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Thanks for the info, appreciated

Gutted we can't use the reg plate, looks like we're selling it then

The Dyno graph makes sense, thought the flat spot maybe because it has the complete 220 lump, not just the bottom end & running on the st200 ecu.




 
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