[Mar10]

FXJ14218 ?

 

[Neil]

FXJ14218 ?

Not a valid Mondeo VIN

 

[Neil]

Oh how I hate Human Error.

This time not my human error.

I have no idea when a new car is ordered if the salesman enters the VIN or when the order goes through, the factory enters the VIN.

But looking at the data from Frauds it's hard to say, but there is a smattering of cars through the Mk1 and Mk2 Mondeo production that have the incorrect VIN.

This mistake was highlighted by @Mar10 above with a VIN FXJ14218.

This was for a Red ST200 Saloon.

This one

Of course I couldn't find any Mondeo with that VIN, but when Marten sent me a picture of it. I could see the problem.

A Normal Mk2 Saloon would have a VIN WF0FXXGBBFXJ14218 (if you put it in ETIS it's not a valid VIN)

How ever when you put GGB in instead of GBB you get a result.

So on that note I now have 30 more ST200's than I did at the beginning of the week.

Just so you are all aware the 30 new cars are Polish!

New tables.

O well :facepalm:

 

[jackl86]

So could it be polish specific type thing? Or the one salesman doing all of them the same way?

 

[Neil]

Nope, it's more than one country when all Mk1 and Mk2 Mondeos are considered, but the vast majority were Polish, and all the ST200's were Polish.

 

[wcp]

hey neil, did i read your 'by country' data correctly? There are only 16 saloons in the Netherlands? And even less hatchbacks and estates. Didn't know the amounts were that low here.

btw wondering what you can find for my vin #: FXM63670

 

[Neil]

FXM63670 - 2353rd ST200 off the production, built 08.12.1999 and 1st registered 21.01.2000.

That makes her the 548th ST200 Saloon; Holland's 21st ST200 and Holland's 12th ST200 Saloon.

 

[wcp]

nice, cool to see the numbers. Thanks for checking :nice:

 

[Mondman2000]

Any info on my ST200. I know it started out in Eire on a temp ZZ plate vin xpxxx71thanks

 

[Neil]

@Mondman2000

Please note that I have tried to be as accurate as possible but due to the sheer numbers involved there could be some errors in the information given. If there is an error in the data that is found after today, then the information given might be affected.

2569/4860 ST200 off the production line by VIN order, built 02.12.1999 and 1st registered 23.06.2000.

That makes her;

The 1048/2153 ST200 Hatchback;

Imperial Blue

The 1794/3573 Imperial Blue ST200;

the 813/1765 Imperial Blue ST200 Hatchback;

My notes for this car are;

Now registered in the UK (W946VCH) and owned by marcus-st24 on MSTOC 18.05.2015

 

[Mondman2000]

Thank you

 

[Howard L]

Ok, as i'm still a Mondeo newbie what can you tell me about mine?

W521 WBL

First registration 23rd March 2000

VIN WF0AXXGBBAYB09896

Colour Blue

 

[Neil]

@Howard L

Please note that I have tried to be as accurate as possible but due to the sheer numbers involved there could be some errors in the information given. If there is an error in the data that is found after today, then the information given might be affected.

3074/4860 ST200 off the production line by VIN order, built 13.01.2000 and 1st registered 23.03.2000.

That makes her;

The 1242/2153 ST200 Hatchback;

Great Britain's 884/1851 ST200;

Great Britain's 778/1489 ST200 Hatchback.

Imperial Blue

The 2149/3573 Imperial Blue ST200;

the 977/1765 Imperial Blue ST200 Hatchback;

Great Britain's 883/1784 Imperial Blue ST200;

Great Britain's 778/1444 Imperial Blue ST200 Hatchback.

Also associated with the reg T22WAB (which was also on a 2004 Land Rover Range Rover Vogue) and S6TUC (which was also on a 2012 Peugeot Expert 1000 L1H1).

Autotrader 12.12.2012,

E-bay and facebook Marketplace Chris Cook Maidstone 103000 28.10.2017,

e-bay and gumtree Cantebury 103000 14.11.2017,

now by you Chatham Kent 06.01.2018

 

[Howard L]

Interesting, many thanks.

 

[Mondman2000]

The week that was - Now 9 but only 8 alive and well. This one is feeling a bit neglected

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Hasn't been Taxed, SORN'ed or MOT'ed since 2008!!

Any chance the owner would sell this white estate Neil. I know someone who has been looking for an estate st200 for some time as a project. He's been drooling over my white hatchback all week. Might be able to save one more.

 

[Mondman2000]

Oh how I hate Human Error.

This time not my human error.

I have no idea when a new car is ordered if the salesman enters the VIN or when the order goes through, the factory enters the VIN.

But looking at the data from Frauds it's hard to say, but there is a smattering of cars through the Mk1 and Mk2 Mondeo production that have the incorrect VIN.

This mistake was highlighted by @Mar10 above with a VIN FXJ14218.

This was for a Red ST200 Saloon.

This one

20170624 001 Poland for sale.jpg

Of course I couldn't find any Mondeo with that VIN, but when Marten sent me a picture of it. I could see the problem.

A Normal Mk2 Saloon would have a VIN WF0FXXGBBFXJ14218 (if you put it in ETIS it's not a valid VIN)

How ever when you put GGB in instead of GBB you get a result.

20170624 001a Martens phot of a incorrect vin for this Saloon for sale.jpg

20170624 001b Martens phot of a incorrect vin for this Saloon for sale.jpg

So on that note I now have 30 more ST200's than I did at the beginning of the week.

Just so you are all aware the 30 new cars are Polish!

New tables.

Production Numbers.jpg

Country PL Production Numbers.jpg

O well :facepalm:

factory enter the vin. Looks like slip of the finger on a computer keyboard. If the vin on the list was wrong when the line operator stamping the numbers was wrong for some reason then they would stamp the numbers on the list. In this case it went all the way trough the process without any one noticing. Cars with the wrong vin normally got scraped as ford could find themselves in trouble if vins did not match or were over stamped for obvious reasons. Easier to scrap the shell and build a new car right than face trouble. Even so some do get through at times. Dealers would have no imput on vin numbers but they have been know to give the wrong details to the DVLA at times.

 

[Neil]

Any chance the owner would sell this white estate Neil. I know someone who has been looking for an estate st200 for some time as a project. He's been drooling over my white hatchback all week. Might be able to save one more.

Sorry but he has no intention of selling. It'll be one of several cars he has in his garden and the feeling I got is he is full of intention but nothing will happen. With any of them.

This is how they will be in 30 years.....

Still waiting for him to fix them up

 

[Neil]

I did think it was strange that so many cars got through and I always thought that this type of fault would manifest it self in the software, not at production for the reasons you state.

 

[Mondman2000]

Thanks I know one or two people like that. They could not restore all the cars they collected in 2 life times but still wont sell. Shame as I know a good home for it.

 

[Mondman2000]

I did think it was strange that so many cars got through and I always thought that this type of fault would manifest it self in the software, not at production for the reasons you state.

In those days the line computer was a 286 from about 1989 and the car sheets were printed on a daisy chain printer. The newest computer we had was a first generation pentium so the software was DOS and window 95 (with a bit of 3.1 thrown in) Now most mobile phones or kid toys have more processing power. The software was basic in those days. No apps internet phones or tablets then. PTA like genk was built in the late 50s early 1960s and updated when it needed to be only. Ford relied on people doing there job and being vigilant so human error creeps in. The line is always moving so you dont have a lot of time to do your job and any delay has knock on effects. If you stop the line to work out whats going on the hole operation stops so there is some pressure. As a side note the DVLA software of that time was not so hot either. If you changed any details on your logbook and sent it of it usually came back with them. I had a Daimler with the vin wrong on the logbook and had been like that since the dealer wrote it down wrong in 1986. Asked DVLA and they said just send it off with the right vin. Came back after 2 weeks and they never asked for proof or to see the car or anything.